This interview is for "Hailing Hellions," a Q&A series where I interview sex workers (or ex-sex workers) who have modeled for me and my Sex Positivity* book project. Today's guest is Ryder K! This is the SFW version; click here for the SFW-version interview compendium!
*The longer title being Sex Positivity versus Sex Coercion, or Gothic Communism: Liberating Sex Work under Capitalism through Iconoclastic Art (2023). Part of an overarching movement that connects sex positivity to what I call "Gothic (gay-anarcho) Communism," Sex Positivity essentially provides a hybrid; i.e., one established between academic (Gothic, queer, game and Marxist) theories, and wherein applied theory towards universal liberation is achieved by challenging Capitalist Realism (the inability to imagine a world beyond Capitalism) at a grassroots level. To it, Gothic Communism specifically occurs through direct mutual worker action and informed intersectional solidarity relayed through Gothic poetics: BDSM, monsters, and kink, but specifically what I call "ludo-Gothic BDSM."
General CW: BDSM, Gothic content and theatrics (e.g., rape play and death theatre), as well as sex worker abuse and bigotry of various kinds (variable per interview); discussions of sex work, underwear photos/photos of sex toys, and fascism
Concerning Images, Censorship and Permissions: All images are of the model or myself unless otherwise stated. As this is the SFW version of the interview, the images are relatively tame, cropped or censored; to see the spicier stuff each model offers, go to the NSFW version of this series on my website. Any publicly available images are exhibited for purposes of education, transformation and critique, thus fall under Fair Use; private nude material and collabs with models are specifically shared with permission from the original model(s). For more details about artist permissions, refer to the book disclaimer.
About the series: Like the book series it attaches to, "Hailing Hellions" aims to educate and critique; i.e., by raising awareness towards sex worker rights, but also gender-non-conformity through Gothic counterculture. This extends to gender identity (e.g., trans, enby or intersex) but also orientation and performance; i.e., BDSM and sex positivity through various Gothic theatrical roles that invite things beyond vanilla, heteronormative (thus conservative, reactionary and harmful) sexuality. I would consider this to be things like mommy dommes and consent-non-consent, breeding fantasies and heavy metal (e.g., Satanic material and the Gothic at large). Also, these questions are broader insofar as they cover wide praxial/poetic ideas and concepts. Regarding these, the opinions of the subject and myself are not identical, but often overlap through us collaborating together to raise awareness.
About the interviewee: Ryder K is someone I met on Bluesky while looking to continue working with SWers after my book series concluded (re: "It Began with a Whisper," 2025). In short, I saw his work recently, liked it, and decided to reach out; he responded, and we went from there!
0. Persephone: Hi, everyone! My name is Persephone van der Waard. I'm a trans-woman erotic artist, sex worker, writer/author and researcher who specializes in cross-media studies; i.e., I have my independent PhD in Gothic poetics and ludo-Gothic BDSM (focusing on partially on Metroidvania).
Ryder, could you introduce yourself and share a little about yourself with our audience?
Ryder: Hi, I'm Ryder (also known by my usual username, summerwing) – I'm a gender non-conforming transmasc who does webcam modeling full-time and also makes media, primarily kink-oriented and mostly solo. I am a longtime goth, snake lover, slightly messy auDHD individual, and very friendly!
1. Persephone: This book project views sex positivity as a liberating act. What does sex positivity mean to you? Illustrating mutual consent; i.e., can porn illustrate mutual consent when sex workers are constantly dehumanized by the profit motive and the status quo?
Ryder: I think that, to discuss that fully and in good faith, you really have to look separately at industry-made studio porn and independent media made by independent sex workers. What I do is very wildly different from a stereotypical industry-porn actor, whose circumstances I'm not qualified to assess. I find my own work incredibly liberating. Especially as a trans/queer person – being able to work in a space where I can fully embrace and embody that identity is in itself worth celebrating. Even as a survival sex worker, everything I do is entirely of my own will and done with love. I enjoy my work. Not everyone does, as with any job. But that can be easily twisted to fit different narratives that aren't always in our best interest either. It's hard to narrow it all down to a few sentences.
2. Persephone: In your mind, what is the biggest struggle facing sex workers today?
Ryder: The devaluation of sex media. Porn is plentiful and free these days. It's hard to convince people into supporting independent sex workers. I've said before that in my opinion, porn is one of the easiest things to consume ethically under capitalism, by putting money directly into the hands of independent sex workers. But that's a choice people have to be willing to make.
3. Persephone: How do you feel about sex work being work, thus paying sex workers for their labor? This can be unions, but also their representations in media at large.
Ryder: It is sometimes called "the world's oldest profession" for a reason. I have no issue with it being transactional for as long as we live in a transactional society and world. I value being paid to do something I enjoy, as I have with artistic/creative projects in the past too, even though of course having to monetize your hobbies to justify the time spent doing them is not ideal.
4. Persephone: What are your thoughts on Communism vs Capitalism using Gothic poetics? Can monsters be gay Commies?
Ryder: I'm unfortunately not educated enough (two-time college dropout) to provide the kind of answer the question really deserves – but yes, I think monsters can be gay Commies, and I welcome them to it 🙂
5a. Persephone: What drew you to the project/interested you in working on it together with me?
Ryder: Being involved with this project has felt like an honor, as it sits at an intersection of things that are important to me: sex work, politics, identity… and of course, fantasy and art.
5b. Persephone: How has that experience been for you? Can you describe it a little?
Ryder: I have loved working with you. You've been nothing but approachable and kind. I value having this space provided in your work where we can feel heard.
6.Persephone: If you feel comfortable talking about it, can you talk about being GNC? What does that mean to you?
Ryder: I have always been GNC – first as a tomboy child, then as a closeted FTM teenager, then as a transmasc nonbinary adult. I have always presented as somewhere between androgynous and masc, outside of sex work, where I embody the feminine because of my own tastes and fetishes. Testosterone has been the biggest game-changer for me in the past few years. With the physical masculinization from testosterone, I've found myself much happier with exploring femininity outside the bedroom at times, to the point where I've been considering labeling myself gender-fluid in the future.
7. Persephone: What do you enjoy most about sex work? What got you started in it?
Ryder: My first experiences with sex work were a stint of camming and media-selling in college. I lacked confidence in a myriad of ways and wasn't very good at it. It taught me some good lessons about myself, but I moved on for a few years. I returned only last year after a series of temp jobs kept failing me and causing me to struggle to stay afloat. Several years ago I started having severe health problems that impacted the sort-of-career I had been building and derailed my life for a while. I turned to sex work because my options felt limited and, out of those few, sex work seemed relatively less unappealing. I expected to be comfortable with it, but not to love it to the degree that I do. It has been great.
8. Persephone: Do you have a favorite piece of sex work that you've done, in terms of custom material?
Ryder: I have done hand and nails fetish oriented content, which is something I'd not have expected to be able to get into. So that was fun, because it's different and it's something I like too.
9. Persephone: Do you friends and family know about the work that you do? How do you talk about it with other people who aren't sex workers; i.e., how do you communicate sex worker rights to non sex workers?
Ryder: My family and friends are more or less unaware. I generalize what I do as "video editing and livestreaming" etc to avoid the conversation – mostly due to my own background, and certain circumstances. I do, however, openly share sex work related politics and activism on personal social media, and I am open about what I do with any friends online.
10. Persephone: What are your thoughts on TERFs in sex work; i.e., those who devalue GNC minorities (and other marginalized groups) in the same profession?
Ryder: I find it such a gross disappointment that I almost don't have words to elaborate on any of it. People are often so willfully hypocritical and ignorant. It's hurtful especially in these spaces.
11. Persephone: How do you feel about billionaires? Israel and Palestine?
Ryder: Billionaires should not exist as they do. That amount of wealth is unneeded and becomes obscene. Israel is a genocidal false state. Palestine should be free.
12a. Persephone: What are some of your favorite GNC pieces of media (e.g., I love Sense8 and Heartbreak High)? Do you have any GNC role models?
Ryder: More than I can even count! I always gravitate towards media with GNC characters over all else. Anyone who knows me probably knows of my danmei hyperfixation, and that's a genre that has plenty of examples. Always looking for queer media recs and new GNC characters to obsess over.
12b. Persephone: To that, GNC people often find their families outside of their birth families; did you have to go elsewhere for that, or is your family relatively understanding of your queerness?
Ryder: My family is not understanding. I am from poor and rural southern Appalachia. The best I could have hoped for, coming out, was for it to be ignored and talked around – which it is. I am lucky to have maintained a relatively amicable relationship with any of my family. I have distanced myself from them, though, in order to live my own full life. I have built my own support network.
13. Persephone: What about sex workers? Do you have anyone you look up to in particular?
Ryder: I am reluctant to name names simply because there are far too many who I love, appreciate, and respect. If I left anyone out I'd never forgive myself, but the list would be too long to even begin working on anyway. All of my close mutuals on Bluesky and elsewhere, you know who you are, and it's your love and work that inspire and motivate me every time I come online.
14. Persephone: There's often a strong theatrical component to sex work and BDSM; i.e., costumes, gender roles, aesthetics of power and death, music, makeup. How do these things intersect for you, and do they cross over into real life for you? For example, do you find yourself wearing similar clothing and expressing yourself sex-positively when you're not on the clock?
Ryder: For a long time, for me, I kept sex and sex work very separate from everything else in my life. I don't know how to explain it, really. I just didn't betray any of my own interests or personality. I dressed in whatever lingerie seemed like it might be appealing and played whatever music seemed convenient. Over the past few (slow!) months, that has changed immensely for me. I now play music I want to hear and embrace whatever aesthetics I am wanting to express or be involved in. Outside of sex work I'm a long-time goth, so that has made its way in. So have other random interests. Sex and gender are closely tied, for me. I used to feel safe presenting as masculine and nonsexual, because I couldn't conceive of another way of feeling safe. That has changed for me, too. Not a good answer, I know, and kind of messy, but it's something I'm still in the process of exploring.
15. Persephone: There's often an animal component to sexuality and gender expression, helping workers establish close bonds with each other and nature; i.e., furries, but also therians and various kinks; e.g., puppy play. How do you feel about these things, be they for work, pleasure, or both?
Ryder: I really have no opinion. Maybe I should, but I don't. I'm definitely not judgmental of others who are into those things, I'm just not into them myself. I do play around as a catboy online often, but I don't sexualize it too much, because that's just not my thing.
16. Persephone: Sex workers are generally treated as monsters to harm and exploit under capital. Do you have a preferred way of expressing the humanity of sex workers, be that simply stating it or through the work that you do, art, or some combination, etc?
Ryder: I just want us to be listened to and treated like anyone else – non-contagious, lovable, real – instead of ostracized based on faux-moral-quandaries or nasty politics. I want more of us to be able to be open about our jobs on personal social media and in social circles, so it's treated as less of a degenerate and alien thing. It's just hard to get there.
17. Persephone: Do you have a particular aspect of liberation you like to focus on; e.g., fat liberation or decriminalizing sex work? To that, what's the difference between positive thinking and liberation in your eyes?
Ryder: My personal focus is probably on trans identity within sex work, if anything. Trans people (FTM, MTF, and nonbinary, all three, plus any others) all tend to experience certain degrees and types of fetishization within the sex industry – and we often have to play into that in order to get paid. Liberation from that, for me, would involve being able to display and express our full trans identities in our work without having to play into or fight against strong sexual stereotypes and fetishes. Just, to be able to exist, and to play.
18a. Persephone: How do you feel about BDSM and using calculated risk to confront and heal from trauma? I.e., using collars or whips to experience pain or control as pleasurable, not harmful (I love collars, for instance).
Ryder: I reserve judgment on that deliberately, to be honest. It's not something that would be healthy for me, which I'm fully aware of, but that isn't something I'm going to project onto others either. I respect that everyone is different and has different needs! I do think it's inadvisable to have BDSM as your only source of healing or coping, just as it could be with other methods in turn. As a part of a whole, though, I am sure it has its place for those who do well with it.
18b. Persephone: Was there ever a moment where you were on the fence about BDSM or sex work/in the closet, but something happened that changed everything? I.e., was it gradual or more a singular event that motivated you to change; or, were you always kind of out (for me, I decided to change after several bad exes, but also watching Stranger Things, and relating to Max's brush with Vecna in a GNC way)?
Ryder: I think I am yet to have that moment. The closest I have come to it would be the discussion I had with my long-term partner when I started doing all of this again this time around. He knew vaguely that I had done it in the past. I knew he has no issue with sex workers. But it definitely was a defining sort of moment, choosing to have that conversation and then move forward with things.
19. Persephone: Does expressing yourself in a dehumanized BDSM position (e.g., CNC or living latex, etc) or state of existence speak to your humanity as something to value?
Ryder: I am someone who draws a very deliberate line for myself between BDSM play, submission, etc, and my "real self" – that is, I don't let them influence each other enough to consider it something that speaks to or indicates anything about my nature. That's a choice I consciously make, which I'm happy with, but everyone varies! Those who integrate these things deeper into their lives certainly have better answers.
20. Persephone: What got you interested in BDSM? Do you have a preference in terms of what you give or receive?
Ryder: I have always been interested in BDSM, since I became interested in sex. The aesthetics of it as well as the D/S dynamic have always had intrinsic appeal to me. I much prefer being submissive and don't have much interest in exploring dominance. I spent a long time thinking that would eventually and inevitably change as I got older, but so far it hasn't.
21. Persephone: In your mind, is BDSM inherently sexual? If so or if not, can you explain why?
Ryder: I think it is inherently grey area. In my opinion there is an undeniable and inextricable sexual component to it. But at the same time, reducing it purely to a sexual thing isn't fair either – BDSM is multifaceted and broad enough to be its own whole little world.
22. Persephone: Does BDSM inform the sex work that you do in an educational or therapeutic way?
Ryder: To be perfectly honest, I do BDSM and kink content because I enjoy it, and because it's what people like to see from me, more than they want to see other things. It's entirely a combination of the two. I have always loved BDSM and have no objection to making it the core of my stuff, since that's what people like anyway. I have been branching out lately to explore more of my own interests and other peoples'. Ultimately, though, it will always come back to different strains of BDSM and kink. For me personally it's straightforward without much deeper connotations.
23. Persephone: In terms of calculated risk, how does it feel to surrender some degree of power in a scenario where you can't actually be harmed? Or vice versa, if you have more power? Do you have a preference and if so, why?
Ryder: I am a control freak in non-sexual life. I have clinical OCD along with some other things. I am not someone who likes to surrender control, even in the bedroom. I mostly like the fantasy of it, and so I like online or solo content, where I am the one who maintains ultimate physical control. I like sinking into a sub-space of taking orders from others but carrying them out myself. So, my perspective might be a little unusual. I am happy to occasionally surrender power physically to my trusted partner, but more than anything, I prefer to keep the physical control to myself and treat it as a test of will.
24. Persephone: If you feel comfortable answering, can theatrical disempowerment feel healing or therapeutic to you in regards to real trauma?
Ryder: For me personally, it doesn't, as I keep things very separate. I can understand the appeal of incorporating that in a larger schema, though, and it's not something I'm permanently set against exploring. It would just have to follow other healing, for me.
25. Persephone: What's the most stressful thing about sex work? The most liberating?
Ryder: My most stressful task is self-promotion and shilling for sales/tips. I'm not a pushy person. I am laid-back and prefer to let things happen as they will. That's not something you can do in online sex work. You constantly have to self-promote and self-advocate, or you simply won't ever get paid. The most liberating aspect of it to me, though, is the ability to be so openly queer and explore gender as a part of my work itself.
26. Persephone: What are the benefits to doing sex work in today's day an age versus in the past? What do you think needs to improve; e.g., open reactionary bigots versus moderate SWERFs posturing as feminists speaking for all groups?
Ryder: The most obvious set of benefits is the physical safety and the accessibility (for people with chronic illnesses and whatnot like myself) that online sex work provides. That, and the promotion opportunities available online and through social media, regardless of what kind of sex work you do specifically. I think that infighting and divisiveness need to die down so we can better support and uplift each other, but of course that can be said about practically anything online whatsoever. People will just behave like that online. You can only really control your own reactions. The other thing which bothers me the most is blatant content theft. It's very commonplace and accepted to reupload stolen porn with no credit and pass that around, and even sometimes to take tips for doing so. In my opinion that really needs to become WAY less acceptable, because it is theft.
27a. Persephone: What are your favorite monsters (i.e., undead, demons, and or anthromorphs) and why?
Ryder: Vampires. Cliché of course. But a childhood love of vampire media is one of the many things that led me into the goth subculture, so of course I've never let it go.
(artist: Tako; cited: "Eat Me Alive," 2024)
27b. Persephone: Media-wise, do you like to read, watch movies, and or play videogames just for fun, but also to gather ideas about gender-non-conformity expression, BDSM and other sex-positive devices?
Ryder: I have always used video games specifically as an avenue of exploring gender identity and presentation. Specifically through MMOs. I have a whole zine about it that I need to reprint sometime, as it's still relevant, even though MMOs have given way to MOBAs and battle royales – the same things often come into play.
28. Persephone: What are your thoughts on sex/porn and art, business and pleasure? I like to mix them to form healthier boundaries established between workers; how do you feel about this?
Ryder: I keep boundaries for myself just because that's what works for me – I know what lines I'm happy to blur, and what lines I like solid and firm. A few years ago I was still working it out but I'm happy now. Everyone will have a different sort of ideal place to land with it!
29. Persephone: Per my arguments, Capitalism sexualizes and fetishizes all workers to serve profit, leading to genocide. Keeping that in mind, what is the best way to achieve intersectional solidarity using Gothic poetics?
Ryder: Again I am not educated enough to write the type of answer the question deserves – though it makes me want to study Gothic poetics, so that I could.
30. Persephone: Can you describe your own struggles with achieving liberation/humanization as a GNC sex worker?
Ryder: Usually in my camshows I am perceived as entirely femme and I don't put much effort into correcting that. When asked I am always honest, and I very frequently go on educational rambles about the physical and mental effects of testosterone, but ultimately when I get casually called a girl in the chat mid-fuck, I just let sleeping dogs lie. That's something I question within myself. How much responsibility I have to other people – and myself! – to enforce my own identity. When I do lecture and ramble and insist on my own transmasc identity, I feel often like people's view of me shifts to something more alien-like than human-masc. But oh well.
31. Persephone: I view sex work as an important means of de facto (extracurricular) education; i.e., entertainment, but also a means of humanizing people within the practice at large. How do you feel about this? Can we learn from art and porn as a means of humanizing marginalized groups?
Ryder: Definitely. Porn is just sexual art media. Something being sexual doesn't intrinsically separate it from all other media or strip it of worth. Indie porn in particular is very representative of all kinds of humanity.
32. Persephone: I value establishing mutual trust, healthy communication and boundary formation/negotiation and respect, seeing them to be the most vital qualities in any relationship. Do you agree, and if so, why?
Ryder: I agree. In all kinds of relationships, including friendships, and of course including transactional sexual relationships, it's dangerous to be unable to communicate openly and with care.
33. Persephone: How do you orient and what are your thoughts on polyamory insofar as it affects your work? For the layperson/uninitiated, how would you describe the difference between a fuck buddy/FWB and other more casual relationships versus serious ones? Can people be friends and still have sex in a casual manner? What is the most valuable aspect of a friendship regardless if sex is a part of the equation or not?
Ryder: I am not polyamorous but I do have past experience with an open relationship, largely due to it having been mostly long-distance. To reference the previous question, I think open communication is the most valuable aspect of any relationship, and is often the defining factor as to what type of relationship that may be. More serious relationships will involve deeper communication. Casual relationships will often only involve communication around the specific experiences you share, such as sex.
34. Persephone: If you have a partner, do they know about the work that you do? How comfortable are they with it?
Ryder: My partner is aware and supportive, but mostly uninvolved.
35. Persephone: How did you and your partner meet? What do you think makes an ideal partner?
Ryder: We met online sometime around 2014. We maintained a long friendship which became a relationship after in-person meetings. We moved in together in 2017 and became committed and monogamous, which we've remained since. For me an ideal partner is someone I can talk to and be myself with – all sides of myself.
36. Persephone: What advice would you give incels, nice guys and other cis-het men (or token groups; e.g., TERFs and cis-queer tokens, etc) displaying bigoted attitudes towards women and other marginalized groups?
Ryder: On stream I constantly deal with casual misgendering which mostly bothers me on the behalf of whatever other trans people the culprit may interact with. So, when the circumstances allow it smoothly, I try to gently educate. I find that, more than anything, it's about opening minds. A lot of bigoted attitudes stem from pure ignorance and/or lack of perspective – it's not "real" to them, because they don't live it, and they rarely face it. My direct advice is just to read/watch/consume media (including social media posts) from marginalized people, regularly enough that it becomes normal to you, instead of being an alien perspective.
37. Persephone: Likewise, what advice would you give to more privileged groups that need to understand the value of listening to those more oppressed than them in a larger struggle for liberation?
Ryder: We are all in this together. Everyone – everyone – just wants to live and be at peace.
38. Persephone: What are your thoughts on GNC people who are still in the closet but thinking about coming out? Where should they go and who should they talk to?
Ryder: In a practical and medical sense, Planned Parenthood is good. I've only had good experiences with them, anyway, alongside everyone I know. In a more social sense, most cities and towns have LGBT organizations, which can be a place to start, and they will understand privacy. Most accessible though are online communities. Forming friendships through social media with other GNC people is a useful and validating thing.
39. Persephone: Similarly, for those thinking about doing sex work for the first time, where is a good place to start with that; i.e., what advice would you give to those starting out based on your own experiences?
Ryder: The answer I'd want to give is simply too long haha. I will say that live shows are more lucrative than selling media. I will also say that consistency is key. If you stream, have a schedule. If you make media, post regularly. Keep your guard up against scammers especially when visibly new. Ask for advice about various platforms from people who use them, so you have an idea what to expect going into it.
40a1. Persephone: What's your idea of the perfect date? The ideal fuck? Do you have an ideal experience of either you'd like to share?
Ryder: Perfect date is exploring a new city with no expectations. It's something I've done a lot on a shoestring budget. Having a slightly higher budget (hostels aren't romantic) would be nice. Ideal fuck is one where we both can laugh.
40a2. Persephone: What's your wildest/most enjoyable sexual encounter (e.g., sex in public, in the kitchen while the roomies are home, etc)?
Ryder: Maybe just the piss video we filmed on a public beach.
40b. Persephone: For you, what's the cutest thing a partner can do, in bed or out? For example, my partner Bay loves it when new partners come really fast/are having their first time PIV with Bay. Consent, intimacy and affection are all really sexy and fun for Bay. How about you?
Ryder: Like I said for my ideal fuck, I like when we can laugh. Sex involves silly moments. An awkward noise here and there, or hitting heads. I like when we can laugh while still keeping going.
40c. Persephone: What are your thoughts on consensual voyeurism and exhibitionism as educational/entertaining acts? Does being able to be more open and communicative help us learn from each other to see each other as human and also what to watch out for/what to challenge at a systemic level?
Ryder: Though I can sense the threads of a connection there, my brain refuses to weave them together in any productive way. All I can say is that consensual voyeurism and exhibitionism are very hot and very human. Seeing each other in our most basic forms is a special experience.
41a. Persephone: Does fucking to music, roleplay and other theatrical elements make sex better?
Ryder: Depends on the person. I appreciate music because I don't love a silent backdrop. I'm not into roleplay very much as it requires a degree of effort from me. Everyone is different. Theatrical elements definitely can enhance the experience(s) by a lot, though, when you find the right thing.
42. Persephone: If you have any ace leanings, would you like to talk about that in relation to the work that you do?
Ryder: I consider myself really vaguely demisexual or something. I just have little interest in having sex with anyone besides my partner, despite adoring my online work and having a high sex drive. My attraction to others comes and goes. I'm more a sexual appreciator than active participant in attraction. I don't think about it too hard, though. It changes nothing. I love my work, and online I can be into pretty much anyone who engages with me.
43. Persephone: Connections between sex workers and clients is often discrete under capital. Can a degree of friendship and intimacy make for a better relationship between the two?
Ryder: Sure, absolutely. I have regulars who I absolutely consider friends at this point. It means I already know their tastes, and everything tends to be a lot more open and comfortable.
44. Persephone: For people struggling with gender expectations like being the right size or pleasing one's partner and enjoying oneself, is there anything you might recommend?
Ryder: The obvious cliché is, like, "just don't worry about it," but I know that doesn't help. Maybe it's more helpful to say something like "let go of what you can't control – like size – and know that the right people won't care." And then to follow that with "things you can change, like learning to please a partner, are a great area to put effort into, and have open conversations about, which will only bring you closer."
45. Persephone: How does it feel being your true self, despite the risks of gay panic and similar moral panics in America and around the world?
Ryder: I grew up in a rural and very religious area. Representation through the internet was my saving grace as a young person. It's easy to internalize attitudes that prevail in society. Even when they suck. Especially when they suck. You have to build your own communities. Your own world.
46. Persephone: Is there anything else you'd like to say or add before we conclude?
Ryder: Thanks for the opportunity, of course. I wish I had better answers for some questions, but oh well. Thank you for letting me talk!
47. Persephone: Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions, and also for working on Sex Positivity with me. If people want to follow you, where can they follow you and support what you do?
Ryder: There is a "links" page on my website with all of my sites and socials: https://www.summerwing.carrd.co/#links
